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14:02 <@WilliamH> ok, let's start...
14:02 <@WilliamH> roll call:
14:02  * WilliamH is here
14:02  * K_F here
14:03  * ulm here
14:03  * rich0 here
14:04  * dilfridge here
14:05 <@WilliamH> looks like we are still missing two...
14:06 < NeddySeagoon> While you wait, when is the council term up ?
14:06 <@WilliamH> blueness: 
14:06 <@WilliamH> jlec: 
14:07 <@K_F> NeddySeagoon: iirc last one is june
14:07 <@blueness> here
14:07 <@WilliamH> NeddySeagoon: Yes, we have one more meeting
14:07 <@dilfridge> oh is it that time of the year again?
14:07  * jlec here
14:08 <@ulm> NeddySeagoon: last election results were posted at 2015-07-12
14:08 <@WilliamH> Ok, everyone is here, we have a very light agenda this meeting...
14:08 <@WilliamH> nest topic:
14:08 <@WilliamH> open bugs w/ council involvement:
14:09 <@WilliamH> Can someone list each of the bugs here?
14:09 <@K_F> 574952,571490,579460,569914,566498,574080
14:09 <@WilliamH> unfortunately I don't have pybugz set up yet so I can easily search via cc:
14:10 <@K_F> 574952	Games team intentionally ignoring messages and bugs in order to stall QA and Council
14:10 <@K_F> 571490	Missing summary for 20151025 council meeting
14:10 <@K_F> 579460	please make repoman ignore a missing "# $Id$" header line
14:10 <@K_F> 569914	Missing summary for 20150727 council meeting
14:10 <@K_F> 566498	games.eclass: use of games group needs to be removed wrt 20151011 Council meeting
14:10 <@K_F> 574080	games.eclass: Path customization needs to be removed wrt 20151213 Council meeting
14:10 <@WilliamH> bug 571490
14:10 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/571490 "Missing summary for 20151025 council meeting"; Doc Other, Project-specific documentation; CONF; mgorny:council
14:10 <@dilfridge> yeah...
14:11 <@dilfridge> at least the logs are all there now :/
14:11 <@blueness> was that the summary i was supposed to do?
14:11 <@blueness> okay i’ll get it done, sorry lost track
14:12 <@dilfridge> no I think they are both mine
14:12 <@blueness> are you sure?
14:12 <@dilfridge> no
14:14 <@ulm> blueness: March and April 2016 are also missing, and I think March is for you and April is for me
14:14 <@ulm> (not in any bug)
14:15 <@ulm> the two listed in the bugs are both for dilfridge IIUC
14:15 <@dilfridge> excellent
14:15 <@dilfridge> or not
14:15 <@K_F> yup, that seems to be consistent with my recollection as well
14:16 <@blueness> ulm: your right, march is mine
14:16 <@blueness> okay i’m doing the summary for 20160313
14:17 <@blueness> guys do we have an agenda for this month?
14:18 <@K_F> blueness: this being march or today's meeting?
14:18 <@blueness> K_F: today’s meeting
14:18 <@dilfridge> blueness: { }
14:18 <@K_F> blueness: there is an agenda, it doesn't contain anything but the minimun, hence starting on open bugs with council involvement
14:19 <@dilfridge> so we've spent already 19 minutes with nothing
14:19 <@K_F> dilfridge: its actually somewhat impressive
14:19 <@ulm> agenda: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/message/8639d846db2e756310b3d6055b4569f1
14:19 <@WilliamH> bug 574952
14:19 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/574952 "Games team intentionally ignoring messages and bugs in order to stall QA and Council"; Community Relations, Developer Relations; CONF; mgorny:comrel
14:20 <@ulm> no visible progress, assigned to comrel
14:20 <@ulm> next please :)
14:20 <@dilfridge> next
14:21 <@WilliamH> bug 579460
14:21 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/579460 "please make repoman ignore a missing "# $Id$" header line"; Portage Development, Repoman; CONF; dilfridge:dev-portage
14:21 <@K_F> I don't see anything for us in that one yet, its up to implementation by portage team
14:21 <@ulm> yeah
14:21 <@K_F> CC is only for tracking purposes
14:21 <@ulm> next
14:21 <@jlec> perhaps we should ping the bug
14:22 <@dilfridge> done
14:22 <@rich0> is there anything for the council on bug 574952?  I'm not sure why it is even open.  If somebody wants to fix the games eclasses/etc just do it - we've already oked it.
14:22 < willikins> rich0: https://bugs.gentoo.org/574952 "Games team intentionally ignoring messages and bugs in order to stall QA and Council"; Community Relations, Developer Relations; CONF; mgorny:comrel
14:22 <@WilliamH> bug 569914 
14:22 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/569914 "Missing summary for 20150727 council meeting"; Doc Other, Project-specific documentation; CONF; ulm:dilfridge
14:22 <@dilfridge> yeah, yeah...
14:23 <@K_F> except for the open summaries I don't see anything actionable at this point in the open bugs
14:23 <@WilliamH> bug 569914
14:23 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/569914 "Missing summary for 20150727 council meeting"; Doc Other, Project-specific documentation; CONF; ulm:dilfridge
14:24 <@WilliamH> bug 566498 again is implementation
14:24 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/566498 "games.eclass: use of games group needs to be removed wrt 20151011 Council meeting"; Gentoo Linux, Eclasses and Profiles; CONF; mgorny:games
14:24 <@dilfridge> yeah, yeah...
14:24 <@WilliamH> as is bug 574080
14:24 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/574080 "games.eclass: Path customization needs to be removed wrt 20151213 Council meeting"; Gentoo Linux, Eclasses and Profiles; CONF; mgorny:games
14:25 <@WilliamH> ok, open floor...
14:25 <@WilliamH> I have a question actually.
14:25 <@WilliamH> I was the one on the qa team assigned to the gtk use flag situation...
14:25 <@WilliamH> All of us have sort of dropped that.
14:26 <@WilliamH> I'm looking up a bug
14:26 <@WilliamH> bug 581662
14:26 < willikins> WilliamH: https://bugs.gentoo.org/581662 "www-client/firefox and mozconfig-v6.46.eclass: [qa] Please rename the force-gtk2 use flag to just gtk2"; Gentoo Linux, Applications; CONF; williamh:mozilla
14:26 <@WilliamH> I want to pick up the situation again because of that bug...
14:27 <@WilliamH> now we have a force-gtk2 use flag.
14:27 < AmazingPudding> I would suggest default-enabling it
14:27 <@WilliamH> What is the best way forward on this, start up the discussion again, or just start in a few weeks making changes?
14:27 <@WilliamH> AmazingPudding: ?
14:27 <@WilliamH> AmazingPudding: the use flag should just be gtk2 imo
14:28 <@ulm> WilliamH: I'd suggest a qa team meeting
14:28 < AmazingPudding> WilliamH: ff with gtk3 is horribly broken
14:28 <@ulm> it's too long already for starting with an action IMHO
14:28 <@WilliamH> ulm: how do we kick pinkbyte to get him to call one? ;-)
14:28 <@K_F> ulm: yeah, qa team meeting seems like the proper place for that discussion
14:29 <@WilliamH> ok, does anyone else have anything?
14:29 <@K_F> we started out talking about next meeting being the last meeting of this round
14:30 <@K_F> whom is formally responsible for calling new elections?
14:30 <@dilfridge> election team. jmbsvicetto!
14:30 <@ulm> blueness: should I take the chair in June? because you took it for me in March
14:31 <@K_F> dilfridge: well, election team sets it up once called, but ... yeah.. I've written too many board meeting agendas calling GMs lately..
14:31 <@blueness> ulm: i don’t understand why i’m only chair once in the schedule
14:31 <@K_F> blueness: modulus
14:31 <@ulm> blueness: as you prefer, if you want June then you can take it :)
14:31 <@blueness> ulm: i don’t care sure i’ll do it
14:32 <@dilfridge> blueness: are you feeling at a disadvantage? you may write my summaries, I wont object :D
14:32 <@WilliamH> heh
14:32 <@blueness> K_F: no its because dilfridge went 3 times
14:32 <@ulm> blueness: 7 council members for 12 meetings
14:32 < NeddySeagoon> Thanks.  I'll poke elections
14:32 <@blueness> ulm: no take a look https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council
14:33 <@blueness> dilfridge: got stuck with 3 meetings
14:33 <@ulm> NeddySeagoon: the actual election period should start after June 12
14:33 <@K_F> blueness: yeah, its combination of both, rich0 not chairing + dilfridege with 3
14:33 <@ulm> which is the date of the last meeting
14:33 <@K_F> blueness: the end result is anyways 7 members on 12 meetings, so modulus :)
14:33 <@rich0> happy to chair anytime - all the slots were taken before I could pick one :)
14:34 <@blueness> ulm: anyhow, i’m okay with doing these during the summer, its during the scholastic year that it gets hairy
14:34 <@ulm> blueness: ok, thanks
14:34 <@WilliamH> anything else?
14:35 <@dilfridge> out of curiosity
14:35 <@dilfridge> (there's nothing existing yet but)
14:35 <@dilfridge> what would be your general opinion on
14:35 <@dilfridge> writing the summaries in latex, and publishing them as pdf?
14:36  * WilliamH doesn't know latex
14:36 <@ulm> please don't
14:36 <@dilfridge> (latex = small subset of latex actually with a few macros for bugs, wiki links, ...)
14:36 <@ulm> plain text can be easily grepped
14:36 <@K_F> dilfridge: should at least publish the latex source in addition to pdf
14:36 <@dilfridge> yes, sure.
14:36 <@WilliamH> ulm ++
14:37 <@K_F> I'm not entirely convinced we necessarily need the features though, but I'm not strictly against it as long as the source documents are published anyhow
14:37 <@jlec> if we go for something then markdown. Can be grepped and rendered and is human writable
14:38 <@K_F> jlec: but... no \frac{2}{3}
14:38 <@jlec> I can live with that
14:38 <@WilliamH> jlec: makes sense to me.
14:38  * ulm hasn't seen much math in council logs so far :)
14:38 <@K_F> :)
14:38 <@dilfridge> math wasnt the main reason
14:38 <@dilfridge> cross-referencing was
14:39 <@dilfridge> (to be able to generate both the single summaries and (via inclusion) an index file, table of contents, ...)
14:40 <@dilfridge> anyway, I dont have the time for it in either case
14:40 <@K_F> personally I think it is more work to set up than it is beneficial
14:40  * ulm must leave soon
14:41 <@WilliamH> Are we done with this topic? :-)
14:42 <@WilliamH> anything else?
14:42  * WilliamH bangs the gavel; meeting closed
14:42 <@jlec> thanks WilliamH
14:42 <@WilliamH> Thanks folks. :-)
14:42 <@ulm> WilliamH: thanks for chairing
14:43 <@dilfridge> thanks everyone
14:43 -!- ulm changed the topic of #gentoo-council to: Next meeting: 2016-06-12 19:00 UTC | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20160612T19 | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council
14:44 <@rich0> thanks, WilliamH